Comments for Persimmon Golf Today http://persimmongolftoday.org A place to dicuss the merits, challenges, and joys of traditional golf in the modern age Thu, 09 May 2013 23:02:46 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on Leather Grips for Classic Golf by Mr. Blair M. Phillips http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/1542#comment-507 Mr. Blair M. Phillips Thu, 09 May 2013 23:02:46 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=1542#comment-507 I repair, rebuild and restore older persimmon woods. I recently watched an Arnold Palmer presentation on YouTube(as above) on how he wraps golf grips with leather wraps. I have some new old stock rubber .580" and .600" underlistings and a nice set of Mens R/H 1950 MacGregor Tommy Armour 693's that require new grips. I have read that Arnold Palmer has used only Lamkin grips his entire golfing career. I did contact Lamkin today(May 09th/13) and Cathleen replied," Unfortunately, the leather wraps were discontinued a long time ago and the remaining inventory was sent to Mr. Palmer for his personal use. If you have any new old stock leather wraps and want to get rid of them, please write me. Max St. Catharines Maxwell1956@cogeco.ca I repair, rebuild and restore older persimmon woods. I recently watched an Arnold Palmer presentation on YouTube(as above) on how he wraps golf grips with leather wraps. I have some new old stock rubber .580″ and .600″ underlistings and a nice set of Mens R/H 1950 MacGregor Tommy Armour 693′s that require new grips.
I have read that Arnold Palmer has used only Lamkin grips his entire golfing career.
I did contact Lamkin today(May 09th/13) and Cathleen replied,” Unfortunately, the leather wraps were discontinued a long time ago and the remaining inventory was sent to Mr. Palmer for his personal use.
If you have any new old stock leather wraps and want to get rid of them, please write me.
Max
St. Catharines
Maxwell1956@cogeco.ca

]]> Comment on 2013 and Beyond by John985 http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2312#comment-506 John985 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 04:14:46 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2312#comment-506 I came to the site late last year and really enjoyed reading it, and thank you Riley for all your advice and help in finding a new, old way to play. Best of luck. John Short I came to the site late last year and really enjoyed reading it, and thank you Riley for all your advice and help in finding a new, old way to play. Best of luck.
John Short

]]> Comment on The Focus on Equipment Has Hurt Golf – An Essay by Kevin Crook by Persimmon Golf Today http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2292#comment-505 Persimmon Golf Today Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:19:48 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2292#comment-505 Ya I hear you on lofts but I just play them at 2-9 which act as a modern 3-p. People are amazed when I hit good 2 irons but they only go around 200 yards for me - it's really just a modern 3 iron. It's not that impressive but may look like it sometimes. In the end it's just about distances and having a set where you won't be stuck at a yardage where you aren't comfortable with either club. Ya I hear you on lofts but I just play them at 2-9 which act as a modern 3-p. People are amazed when I hit good 2 irons but they only go around 200 yards for me – it’s really just a modern 3 iron. It’s not that impressive but may look like it sometimes. In the end it’s just about distances and having a set where you won’t be stuck at a yardage where you aren’t comfortable with either club.

]]> Comment on The Focus on Equipment Has Hurt Golf – An Essay by Kevin Crook by dpark http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2292#comment-504 dpark Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:10:43 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2292#comment-504 Can't keep the same irons because of the differences in loft. My vintage set is the Hogan Apex PC which has a 51* PW and my modern set is the Titleist 680 which has a 48* PW. No need for a GW in the vintage set and I have to have one in my modern set. Tried bending the PCs down to the 681 loft but then the sharp leading edge just digs too much, especially on knockdown shots. I suppose I could play the 680s in my vintage set, but then I would have to find a vintage gap wedge and they aren't easy to find in the days before OEMs started jacking up lofts to make people think that they were hitting their irons further when all they were doing was hitting an 8 iron with a "9" or even "PW" stamped on the sole :) Can’t keep the same irons because of the differences in loft. My vintage set is the Hogan Apex PC which has a 51* PW and my modern set is the Titleist 680 which has a 48* PW. No need for a GW in the vintage set and I have to have one in my modern set. Tried bending the PCs down to the 681 loft but then the sharp leading edge just digs too much, especially on knockdown shots. I suppose I could play the 680s in my vintage set, but then I would have to find a vintage gap wedge and they aren’t easy to find in the days before OEMs started jacking up lofts to make people think that they were hitting their irons further when all they were doing was hitting an 8 iron with a “9″ or even “PW” stamped on the sole :)

]]> Comment on The Focus on Equipment Has Hurt Golf – An Essay by Kevin Crook by Persimmon Golf Today http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2292#comment-503 Persimmon Golf Today Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:58:50 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2292#comment-503 Great background there, thanks for sharing. I have enjoyed switching back and forth too but I usually keep the irons the same. I agree that modern wedge technology is a vast upgrade over vintage. Great background there, thanks for sharing. I have enjoyed switching back and forth too but I usually keep the irons the same. I agree that modern wedge technology is a vast upgrade over vintage.

]]> Comment on 2013 and Beyond by Rami Valta http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2312#comment-502 Rami Valta Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:46:51 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2312#comment-502 Take care Riley, it's been a lot of fun. Take care Riley, it’s been a lot of fun.

]]> Comment on The Focus on Equipment Has Hurt Golf – An Essay by Kevin Crook by dpark http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2292#comment-501 dpark Wed, 10 Apr 2013 05:57:43 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2292#comment-501 I stopped believing the marketing hype about 6-7 years ago, and it was DUE TO THE TRACKMAN. I did make a significant investment in lessons, taking them consistently from the same coach for about 6 years. He believed that if you have a leaky roof, you fix the leak, not rebuild the whole house. He helped me fix some really bad habits that felt right to me but when I looked at them on video, it was pretty sad looking. With his help, I got down to the low single digits, and about that time, the Trackman appeared on the scene. About the same time, I also become a serious club ho, thinking that I could buy my way to scratch with some "Tour" gear and was spending some serious cash on equipment from places like BombSquadGolf.com Before I did serious permanent damage to my bank account, I was able to hit my clubs and some "newfangled" clubs on the Trackman, and it opened my eyes to the fact that I hit my clubs just as far as a "tour" club, and in some cases even better. The "placebo" effect was now gone. I had PROOF that there was no magic in "tour" clubs, just because Tour pros play them. There is definitely some benefit to the Trackman in getting fit for equipment, assuming that you can put a consistent swing on the ball. My driver at the time hit the ball too low and with too much spin. With the help of the Trackman, I found a driver/shaft combo that was in the bag for 5+ years (Ping Rapture 10.5* and Diamana BB shaft) and was only recently slightly upgraded to a Project X 5.5 shaft, but still using the same head. Every club in my modern bag, except for the wedges, is at least 6 years old, with some clubs going as far back as 1997. I got as low as a +2 index and won my club championship and was runner-up twice. I now have no need or desire to get new equipment. Yes, I still go to demo days and try out the new stuff, but as soon as I think I have found a "magic" club, I hit it on the Trackman and compare it to my current stuff and I have yet to find a difference worth caring about. I also started to play classics a couple of years ago. I was brought up playing forged blades and persimmon so they weren't a foreign entity to me, but I hadn't played them since college. As weird as it sounds, I got kinda bored when I could shoot under par on a regular basis and wanted a change. I pulled out my college sticks (Hogan Apexes, Powerbilt Persimmon woods and Ram wedges) and had a hoot. Didn't break 80 for the first couple of rounds, mainly because of the woods and sand wedge. The irons were just fine (just shorter because of the old-style lofts). I went on a wood and wedge buying spree on ebay and picked up about 30 woods and wedges for less than the cost of a new set of irons. I finally put together a set that I really liked and use today (MacGregor Ben Hogan 2 wood, MacGregor Tourney fairway woods, Hogan Apex PC irons, Wilson Fluid Feel wedge and 8802 putter) and can regularly shoot in the mid-70s with them. I do lose about 30 yards off the tee and have distance gap issues because I only have 2 wedges instead of 4 and they simply do not have the advanced grinds of modern wedges to play the wide variety of shots you can do with modern wedges. But I can switch back and forth between the sets without issue. With my modern set, I do not care about laying up to a "distance". My Scratch wedges are so versatile that I am comfortable with pretty much any distance inside of 100 yards. With my classics, I have to lay up to 90 yards or more since "feel" shots are much more difficult with a sand wedge that has a sharp leading edge and a swing weight of D-9. I do play much more conservatively with classic clubs than modern clubs, mainly because there is a much larger margin for error in modern clubs, especialy with the woods and hybrids. But I will say, I get much more satisfaction shooting a 75 with classics than a 69 with modern clubs. I stopped believing the marketing hype about 6-7 years ago, and it was DUE TO THE TRACKMAN. I did make a significant investment in lessons, taking them consistently from the same coach for about 6 years. He believed that if you have a leaky roof, you fix the leak, not rebuild the whole house. He helped me fix some really bad habits that felt right to me but when I looked at them on video, it was pretty sad looking.
With his help, I got down to the low single digits, and about that time, the Trackman appeared on the scene. About the same time, I also become a serious club ho, thinking that I could buy my way to scratch with some “Tour” gear and was spending some serious cash on equipment from places like BombSquadGolf.com
Before I did serious permanent damage to my bank account, I was able to hit my clubs and some “newfangled” clubs on the Trackman, and it opened my eyes to the fact that I hit my clubs just as far as a “tour” club, and in some cases even better. The “placebo” effect was now gone. I had PROOF that there was no magic in “tour” clubs, just because Tour pros play them.
There is definitely some benefit to the Trackman in getting fit for equipment, assuming that you can put a consistent swing on the ball. My driver at the time hit the ball too low and with too much spin. With the help of the Trackman, I found a driver/shaft combo that was in the bag for 5+ years (Ping Rapture 10.5* and Diamana BB shaft) and was only recently slightly upgraded to a Project X 5.5 shaft, but still using the same head. Every club in my modern bag, except for the wedges, is at least 6 years old, with some clubs going as far back as 1997. I got as low as a +2 index and won my club championship and was runner-up twice.
I now have no need or desire to get new equipment. Yes, I still go to demo days and try out the new stuff, but as soon as I think I have found a “magic” club, I hit it on the Trackman and compare it to my current stuff and I have yet to find a difference worth caring about.
I also started to play classics a couple of years ago. I was brought up playing forged blades and persimmon so they weren’t a foreign entity to me, but I hadn’t played them since college. As weird as it sounds, I got kinda bored when I could shoot under par on a regular basis and wanted a change. I pulled out my college sticks (Hogan Apexes, Powerbilt Persimmon woods and Ram wedges) and had a hoot. Didn’t break 80 for the first couple of rounds, mainly because of the woods and sand wedge. The irons were just fine (just shorter because of the old-style lofts). I went on a wood and wedge buying spree on ebay and picked up about 30 woods and wedges for less than the cost of a new set of irons. I finally put together a set that I really liked and use today (MacGregor Ben Hogan 2 wood, MacGregor Tourney fairway woods, Hogan Apex PC irons, Wilson Fluid Feel wedge and 8802 putter) and can regularly shoot in the mid-70s with them. I do lose about 30 yards off the tee and have distance gap issues because I only have 2 wedges instead of 4 and they simply do not have the advanced grinds of modern wedges to play the wide variety of shots you can do with modern wedges. But I can switch back and forth between the sets without issue. With my modern set, I do not care about laying up to a “distance”. My Scratch wedges are so versatile that I am comfortable with pretty much any distance inside of 100 yards. With my classics, I have to lay up to 90 yards or more since “feel” shots are much more difficult with a sand wedge that has a sharp leading edge and a swing weight of D-9. I do play much more conservatively with classic clubs than modern clubs, mainly because there is a much larger margin for error in modern clubs, especialy with the woods and hybrids.
But I will say, I get much more satisfaction shooting a 75 with classics than a 69 with modern clubs.

]]> Comment on Recent Acquisition – Maruman Conductor Pro by Persimmon Golf Today http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2276#comment-500 Persimmon Golf Today Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:53:42 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2276#comment-500 Hi Jack, I will email you about this. We might be able to work something out. -Riley Hi Jack,

I will email you about this. We might be able to work something out.

-Riley

]]> Comment on Recent Acquisition – Maruman Conductor Pro by jackson33 http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2276#comment-499 jackson33 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:05:24 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2276#comment-499 Hello I saw your posting and was in awe! I grew up under a PGA pro who intoduced me to the game in golf in 1991 when a 5'4 guy from wales won the masters. I was so in awe a inspired that a guy of my stature on could do something so big, I went out and snuck on the course and have never stopped playing since. I went on to become a stand out junior and hold all my high school records and was a club pro. I say you said in your post you might part with these clubs. If you would I can promise it would be the best thing that ever happened to me. i would be willing to trade you a set of Maruman conductor lx ll 30 cx in mint condition, a set of Macgregor VIP v foil 1025 mb all blade irons in mint condition, and a set of Hogan apex ll vintage 83 in perfect condition for your set. I am the biggest Ian woosnam fan on the planet and would treasure them with my life. If you arent a super fan like I am this is more than a fair trade, especially if you are a collector of blade irons. My email is jcauchois33@yahoo.com please let me know how you feel about this. thank you for taking the time to read me email. Best Regards Sincerely, Jack Cauchois Hello I saw your posting and was in awe! I grew up under a PGA pro who intoduced me to the game in golf in 1991 when a 5’4 guy from wales won the masters. I was so in awe a inspired that a guy of my stature on could do something so big, I went out and snuck on the course and have never stopped playing since. I went on to become a stand out junior and hold all my high school records and was a club pro. I say you said in your post you might part with these clubs. If you would I can promise it would be the best thing that ever happened to me. i would be willing to trade you a set of Maruman conductor lx ll 30 cx in mint condition, a set of Macgregor VIP v foil 1025 mb all blade irons in mint condition, and a set of Hogan apex ll vintage 83 in perfect condition for your set. I am the biggest Ian woosnam fan on the planet and would treasure them with my life. If you arent a super fan like I am this is more than a fair trade, especially if you are a collector of blade irons. My email is jcauchois33@yahoo.com please let me know how you feel about this. thank you for taking the time to read me email.

Best Regards Sincerely,

Jack Cauchois

]]> Comment on The Focus on Equipment Has Hurt Golf – An Essay by Kevin Crook by Alec http://persimmongolftoday.org/archives/2292#comment-498 Alec Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:27:48 +0000 http://persimmongolftoday.org/?p=2292#comment-498 Howdy ho. First things first, Chris, I'm a teaching pro & I'll be happy to work with you on anything you like. Whatever's clever and that's not a problem at all. When I launched my website this past June the host asked to interview me and post that interview here on PGT, I'd like to thank him again for that and that's the only exposure or promotion that's been done in any way other than by myself face to face or by referral and I'm so glad that it was here at PGT. IIRC Chris you were a bit reticent about the views I expressed concerning the golf ball. To refresh your memory my take is that the ball is 95%+ of the problem, has been since the solid ball revolution and that I retired as a tournament player shortly after the introduction of the ProV1. This is an excellent article and the dialogue is of course necessary but there's no development or progression of this dialogue at all. "The vast majority of..." Always about "the vast majority", that's as old as the world itself, most people are sheep and blindly buy into insane marketing fraud all day long, if they didn't these companies wouldn't hire advertising firms to create the insane marketing fraud in the first place. Trying to change that is impossible. One of my favorite movies is Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House, Cary Grant & Myrna Loy; Blandings is an Advertising Guy with two daughters going to a "Progressive" private school, the older has a teacher who condemns all advertising as "blatant manipulation used to force people to buy useless things they don't need with money they don't have", to a certain extent that was as true for the remarkably racist Aunt Jemima knockoff 'If you ain't eatin' Wham, you ain't eatin' Ham' slogan in this movie from 1947 as it is with Rocketballz today. It used to be jingles and now its neon noise, that's the only difference. Stop buying the equipment and stop giving the OEMs money, that's the answer to that question, I'm doing the best I can to never giving any of these crap ball & club companies any of my dollars as long as I live. Old stock off of eBay & Craiglslist, when that runs out, then I got a problem but not until. And seriously if you want to work some things out I'd love to chat with you anytime. This is a fantastic resource and we are not alone. Howdy ho. First things first, Chris, I’m a teaching pro & I’ll be happy to work with you on anything you like. Whatever’s clever and that’s not a problem at all. When I launched my website this past June the host asked to interview me and post that interview here on PGT, I’d like to thank him again for that and that’s the only exposure or promotion that’s been done in any way other than by myself face to face or by referral and I’m so glad that it was here at PGT. IIRC Chris you were a bit reticent about the views I expressed concerning the golf ball. To refresh your memory my take is that the ball is 95%+ of the problem, has been since the solid ball revolution and that I retired as a tournament player shortly after the introduction of the ProV1.

This is an excellent article and the dialogue is of course necessary but there’s no development or progression of this dialogue at all. “The vast majority of…” Always about “the vast majority”, that’s as old as the world itself, most people are sheep and blindly buy into insane marketing fraud all day long, if they didn’t these companies wouldn’t hire advertising firms to create the insane marketing fraud in the first place. Trying to change that is impossible.

One of my favorite movies is Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House, Cary Grant & Myrna Loy; Blandings is an Advertising Guy with two daughters going to a “Progressive” private school, the older has a teacher who condemns all advertising as “blatant manipulation used to force people to buy useless things they don’t need with money they don’t have”, to a certain extent that was as true for the remarkably racist Aunt Jemima knockoff ‘If you ain’t eatin’ Wham, you ain’t eatin’ Ham’ slogan in this movie from 1947 as it is with Rocketballz today. It used to be jingles and now its neon noise, that’s the only difference.

Stop buying the equipment and stop giving the OEMs money, that’s the answer to that question, I’m doing the best I can to never giving any of these crap ball & club companies any of my dollars as long as I live. Old stock off of eBay & Craiglslist, when that runs out, then I got a problem but not until. And seriously if you want to work some things out I’d love to chat with you anytime. This is a fantastic resource and we are not alone.

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